Podcast 001 – Interview with Workamper President Steve Anderson

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Steve Anderson and I started talking about launching a podcast about Workamping several years ago after I attended my first Workamper Rendezvous. The passion for doing so kept growing.

Lots of people dream of hopping in an RV and traveling the country. Yet, many of them think they must be retired first.

But, hundreds of thousands of people are living their dreams today by working short-term, seasonal jobs while they travel.

That’s what workamping is all about – working and camping.

You work for a few days each week – or full-time if you want to – and spend the rest of the time exploring the area you are visiting.

Workamping is so much better than speeding your way through a destination area in a week.

By workamping, you get to immerse yourself in an area and the culture. You also learn from locals all the fun places to visit that most tourists miss as they race on to their next destinations.

Workamping also makes RVing more affordable, which is why so many people can do it long before they retire.

I am the former editor in chief of RV Trade Digest and RV Industry News, which were monthly business magazines serving RV dealers, manufacturers and suppliers.

I held those jobs from 2000 to 2009. I loved magazines, but knew it was faster and more efficient to deliver news online.

So, in 2009, I started RV Daily Report, a daily newsletter that featured news and information about dealers, manufacturers, suppliers, campgrounds, and RV owners.

I also started the RV industry’s first business podcast in 2014 and continued producing at least one show a week through June of this year. By then, I had reached a point in my life where the daily deadlines were getting to be a bit too much to handle.

That’s when Steve approached me about developing a podcast for Workamper News, and I quickly accepted.

From 2014 to 2017, I lived fulltime in a motorhome and toured the country interviewing business owners and industry executives, often from my mobile studio in the businesses’ parking lots.

It was during that time that I really got to know what workamping was all about. I would encounter workampers at just about every campground I stayed in during that time.

As I learned more about the lifestyle, I was amazed at the number of jobs available to workampers to help support their travel dreams.

That’s why I think you’re going to like The Workamper Show. We’re going to leverage my experience and contacts in the RV industry and combine it with information and tips provided by people already living the RV lifestyle, to produce a show to help you hit the road faster.

Each of our episodes will feature an interview with a workamper or a company that employs workampers or someone who can offer suggestions about ways to make RVing and Workamping an even more enjoyable experience.

Today, for our first episode, it is only fitting that I interview Steve Anderson, the president of Workamper News.

Together, we’ll outline the goals for this podcast and let you know what to expect in the episodes to follow.

Steve will also provide more insight about workamping and how his company can help you realize your dreams faster, and more affordably than you ever thought possible.

Steve Anderson is one of the best business executives in the RV industry.

He is a true visionary and one of the most humble business leaders I have ever met. He is always looking for ways to serve others, especially the readers and members of Workamper News.

He’s not just a guy who held a couple of workamping jobs and decided to build a business around it.

He has developed an extensive network of opportunities for people to work while they travel, and he has done so with integrity.

You know he’s successful when workamping, the brand he helped develop, becomes a verb used by people inside and outside of the RV industry.

I’d like to thank Steve not only for creating this podcast opportunity, but for being a guest on the first show.

To be honest, he just scratched the surface of what his vision for this show really is. That’s because Steve likes to under promise and over deliver.

So, buckle up. We’re on the road to an incredible adventure. Stick with us and we’ll help you see the possibilities that are abundant to enjoy a more adventurous lifestyle.

The only regret you’ll have is not starting the journey earlier.

We welcome your comments and suggestions anytime by email at [email protected].

You’ll be able to find an archive of all our shows and more useful information about Workamping and how to begin living your adventure at www.WorkamperShow.com.

*** Show Transcript ***

Greg Gerber:                     00:02                    Welcome to your show, Steve. I mean this is kind of exciting to be launching this new podcast, educate people about work camping and the opportunities that that it provides. What inspired you to want to do this?

Steve Anderson:               00:16                    Well, hi Greg. Yeah, it is exciting. This is our first show and what inspired me to have the workampers show was, first of all, some of it came from you from listening to your podcast that you’ve done over the years and the quality job that you’ve done. So one of the reasons that I wanted to connect with you to put together the work camper show, but it provides a different medium. You know, we’ve been here at Workamper News, we’ve been publishing a newsletter magazine now for 32 years. We’re very active on the internet. You know, we have a daily hotline that goes out. We have thousands of emails that go out to our membership, etc. But this is a different medium to be able to actually listen to something while they’re driving down the road or while they’re riding their bicycle or taking a walk or sitting by the lake or sitting around the campfire. I really liked that idea and that was some of my inspiration and saying, Greg, let’s jump in and do a podcast program and call it The Workamper Show.

Greg Gerber:                     01:19                    And I think that, I think that’s ideally suited for what you’re doing here because these shows will allow people to tell their own stories in their words, their way and their passion and enthusiasm is going to come out in every interview.

Steve Anderson:               01:36                    Yeah. A lot. Lot better than we can do in print. And I’m not saying we’re going to stop doing that. But when we go continue to publish magazine and so on, but it’s just as you know, there’s something about the passion that can come out in someone’s words that can come out in the way they express their experiences. And it’s just the medium is just one of the things I’m excited about and I’ve had some people say, well audio is old school, it needs to be video. But one of the things I like about the podcast is I can listen to it driving down the road, I can listen to it in my earbuds when I’m taking a walk or whatever the case might be. You don’t get that with a video very well.

Greg Gerber:                     02:16                    That’s right. Exercising, commuting to and from work. Absolutely. Lots of opportunity for people to listen to audio.

Steve Anderson:               02:25                    Yes. So that along with the opportunity to provide the thousands of individuals who’ve had positive experiences living the work, camping lifestyle. And you know, I think we’d be remiss Greg if we didn’t explain, you know, to someone who’s brand new to this cause I’m, I’m hopeful that we’ll have brand new folks that are listening to The Workamper Show and help them understand the simple definition of workamping. Workamper is our trademark and has been for 32 years. But a workamper is simply someone who travels in their RV and they work. Please don’t make it anymore difficult than that. A lot of people try to put a lot of copyrights on it saying, well I’m a workamper because I do this, this, this and this. Okay fine you’ve you are, but simply you’re a workamper if you travel in an RV and you work. And that takes in a whole gambit of things that you could do as far as work is concerned or have your own business and be classified as a workamper.

Steve Anderson:               03:34                   I want to make sure that our listeners realize that they don’t have to be thinking about any particular type of work that they would be getting involved in to think about this lifestyle. They need to start thinking about what is it that I need to be doing in order to get organized, to be able to make a transition to maybe either do this part time cause people need to understand this doesn’t have to be something you jump into full time, 12 months, a year. You could do this three months a year. You could do it a half a year. There’s lots of different agendas that people are workamping under and yes, there are people that they sell the sticks and bricks, which is another terminology that we use for the house, the standard home that someone has or the apartment or whatever the case might be. They sell that sticks and bricks and they unload all of this stuff and I’m sure you’ll hear in future presentations from workampers, their stories about unloading their stuff and they hit the road and many of them will do this and live on the road traveling, working as workamper for years with the average being about seven years.

Greg Gerber:                     04:52                    I think one of the biggest misconceptions for workamping is that people put the two together and that they’re camping and working, which means they’re only working at camp grounds, but workampers have. There’s such a variety of things for people to do out there that don’t involve working in campgrounds that I think that’s one of the things we’ll really try to promote on this show is what people are doing to finance their travel dream.

Steve Anderson:               05:19                    Yeah, you’re right on Greg. I know. And, and I think that misnomer, you know, when people of course are our name workamper. All right, well people think campground and yes, there are thousands of opportunities working in campgrounds, working resorts, working in Army Corps of Engineers projects, which they have a lot of campgrounds that they have around lakes that they built. But they also have other types of opportunities working in fisheries and so on. But there’s other companies that were campers worked for. There’s one called Amazon. Everybody’s heard of them. They hire Santa’s helpers each year to help with the thousands of packages that need to be taken care of during the holiday season. There’s amusement park operations that utilize workampers. There’s Department of Natural Resource operations in quite a few of the states around the country that utilize workampers to come in and help with.

Steve Anderson:               06:15                    For instance, during hunting season, they’ll have all the check stations where people have to have their deer, their elk tags, etc., verified, you know, for their hunt. One of my favorite ones to talk about is Florida’s DNR, which every few years, does an alligator count and they will hire workampers to help with some of the statistical information for the alligator accounts. You’re not actually going out there and tagging the gators, things like that, but you get involved in helping them with, you know, that project nonprofit operations that are out there. You know, a lot of people don’t realize that there are many nonprofit operations that the only way they can function is by having individuals that they classify them as volunteers. But a workamper may come in and they provide them with a full hookup campsite for the duration of third there.

Steve Anderson:               07:09                    They’re not paying them a salary, but in essence they are because they’re providing them with a full hookup campsite. And that’s value. That means the time that you are there involved with that operation, your cost of living has been reduced because they’re providing that full hookup campsite. And those that are listening to us who have been RV years know that if they traveled much in their RV and they’ve stayed in campgrounds, those fees can mount up over a period of time. And so it can be a very valuable dollar value working for some of these nonprofits. One of my favorite ones I like to share about, and, and hopefully maybe this might be one of the interviews that that we can have you do, Greg, is with the folks that run the Battery Lighthouse out in Crescent City, Calif. I had the opportunity to visit there this past April and they literally hire workampers for one month at a time to come in and be what they call docents to give a tour of a active working lighthouse.

Steve Anderson:               08:13                    And you don’t get paid. You actually are provided a full hookup campsite. But Greg, the campsite is under the a hundred foot redwoods and it is one of the most beautiful campgrounds I’ve ever stayed in. I’ve got to tell you, it’s an experience. It truly is. Something that just came up this past week talking about different types of jobs. A lot of people know that the census is being taken as we move into 2020 here in the United States. Well they have discovered workampers and they are looking to hire thousands of individuals to help them with the census as we move into 2020. And so it’s more of a short term job, but has the potential of maybe having some longevity moving from one part of the country to another as you get experience and being a census taker. So there’s lots of different types of things. I don’t want people to believe that it’s just one pigeon hole type of opportunity. As you started this conversation by saying it’s not just campgrounds, it’s not, it’s an important part of where it camping, and I’m not downplaying it whatsoever because we have thousands of campgrounds out there that rely on strong workamper teams for quality operations and we need to support them. But we also need to help people understand there’s other types of opportunities. So what can people expect in these episodes, do you think?

Steve Anderson:               09:39                    Well, I’m looking for some variety. And what I mean by that is I want, I want them to experience different individuals who have come from different backgrounds and have gotten involved in this lifestyle and are able to share hopefully with a lot of passion about how it has benefited their life. Cause that’s one of the things that I have heard from thousands of people. I’ve been involved with workampers in one way or another now 15 years here at Workamper News, but about 29 years total. And I have heard more times than not individuals that have gotten into this lifestyle, most of them tell me I wished I had done it sooner. And it’s hard to explain in words what this lifestyle has done for me and what it is provided. My wellbeing, my attitude about life. Lot of folks have told me that they feel that they have, will have and will live longer because of getting into the lifestyle.

Steve Anderson:               10:48                    So talking to those types of individuals and hearing their stories. It’s not just reading and on a piece of paper, it’s not us sharing a testimony. It’s the full story coming from the individuals that are actually living the lifestyle and then you’re going to do a few interviews with employers because everyone needs to, that gets involved in workamping. You need to understand what’s the employer looking for. They have to understand is when we talk about work, it’s a job for the employer. They’re hiring workampers to help them run their business. You know, a lot of times I’ve heard workampers say, “Well this isn’t a job. This is just a vacation thing I’m doing well.” That’s an attitude that we have to make sure we keep in check because when you take a workamping opportunity for an employer, you become an important part of their team and it is their business and their livelihood. So you are an important part of that team that’s going to help that operation be successful. And so because of that, we need to make sure that we have some employers that are doing a good job of expressing what they’re looking for, how they utilize workampers, how they manage workampers, what kind of benefits they have. Because as the listeners listening to these interviews, they’re going to find out there is a broad array and a variety of different types of experiences out there for work.

Greg Gerber:                     12:14                    I think it’s important to note too that we are going to be focusing not just on the people who are actually workamping, but to convince people who are dreaming about this that they can do it and do it quickly. It’s not something they have to have a five year plan to get into workamping. They could do it in five weeks if they really wanted to. Correct?

Steve Anderson:               12:34                    I love it. Yes. we have an event here in Heber Springs and by the way, for our listeners that don’t know this, Heber Springs, Arkansas, is the home base of Workamper News. It is in this little town right here on Greers Ferry Lake because this is where the couple still lives. They started Workamper News in 1987 and we have an event called Rendezvous and Rendezvous happens in October each year. And Greg, we have individuals come to Rendezvous and every year I’ll have them tell me. They’ll come up and they’ll say, “Hi, I’m so and so and we’re on a 10-year plan or we’re on a five-year plan. They’ve kind of scoped it out. They realize they want to do this, but to them they have all these obstacles in place that’s going to keep them from jumping into the lifestyle for that period of time and what they learn within that period of Rendezvous, which is a week long.

Steve Anderson:               13:29                    Many of them will come up at the end of the week and say, we now know we can do this in a month or we’re going home and put the house on the market. We can do this, and part of the things that they’re going to learn on The Workamper Show is we’re going to be sharing a lot of those types of bits of information that’s actually going to be coming from the people that have learned it and used it. And so it’s not just being taught in a teaching type format. They’re are going to hear John and Sally talk about how they were on a five-year plan and then once they learn more about the lifestyle and all the different aspects and how to go about putting them in order by putting them in order and having that knowledge they can take action and start living this lifestyle sooner. And to me that’s exciting because boy I love seeing the light bulbs come on. Do you think, cause I also know it means they’re going to have a phenomenal, phenomenal change in their life.

Greg Gerber:                     14:24                    You see the show as providing basic instruction as what type of RV to select based on the lifestyle that they want to do or what they need to look for when getting an RV to even basic maintenance and things like that. Will we get into that kind of episode, those kinds of topics as well?

Steve Anderson:               14:42                    I would say we definitely will be remiss if we don’t Greg. We we need to, you know one the biggest questions that I have and especially during Rendezvous time, what is the best RV for a workamper? And I know there are certain ones that are not necessarily the best, but as I tell everyone, it’s the one that’s going to be right for you and your needs. Certain RVs, though, meet those needs better than others. One of the things that the individuals will learn about, and I believe we’ll probably need to have an interview with someone who can talk about budgeting. Hopefully we’ll find a workamper who has fine-tuned that concept to help people understand why it’s important to set a budget and be able to function with that budget. Because a big part of that budget is what type of RV do I buy?

Steve Anderson:               15:41                    Many people will go to an RV show, they’ll fall in love with a motorhome, for instance, which may be well above the price range of where they should be purchasing and they’ll end up with a very large payment and that means they’ve got that big nut they’ve got a crack every single month. And even though the motorhome is beautiful, it probably could have been a much cheaper purchase if they had gone with something a little less costly and would have allowed that nut to be smaller and allowed them to have a little more comfortable agenda meeting their budget. So yes, that’s a long answer to yes, we need to talk about different types of RVs. We can talk about maintenance elements that they’re going to need to be aware of. I believe we need to be interviewing workampers who have actually gone through some of the training programs that are available out there to learn how to take care of their RV.

Steve Anderson:               16:38                    We’ll most likely, we’ll bring on as a guest during one of these episodes, Terry Cooper, the Texas RV professor because he will share with them that 80% of the items that go wrong with an RV are easy to find and easy to repair. If you have the basic knowledge, and I don’t know about you, but I would rather be able to be more self-sufficient and not reliant on a dealership or a maintenance individual that may be hundreds of miles away, where if I can take care of more of my maintenance of my home that I’m living in, it’s a win-win. Oh, I’m from, well we have the shop.

Greg Gerber:  Do you see one or two times a week?

Steve Anderson: Well Greg, I know a lot of that’s going to be up to you because we’re going to be pushing you hard to get these guys produced. But I would love to see two shows a week. I would like to have that intensity because once someone falls in love with this idea, they have a hunger, they have a passion to learn more. And the more of these interviews with workampers and employers and professionals that we can provide, the faster we’re feeding that passion and we’re allowing that, that candle to burn even brighter. And I believe that offers them the opportunity to expand and get into the lifestyle sooner. And so I’d say at least twice a week.

Greg Gerber:                     18:01                    And my goal would be to keep the shows to about 20 to 30 minutes long enough time for the dreamers to commute to the job that they hate and they can learn about this new lifestyle that felt love.

Steve Anderson:               18:15                    I love your verbiage there that that’s good. You know, I know a lot of people are working in careers that they’re not satisfied with or not happy with and, and I want to be up front. I think with folks as they think about, you know, this new show that we’re launching, you know, the workamper lifestyle is an opportunity for people to experience change in their life. But they also have to understand that just by changing their location, changing what they’re involved in, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to make them happy. And so one of the things that we will need to talk about in one of the episodes is what is what creates the happiness factor as a workamper? And a lot of it comes down to attitude. And yes, like I said, many people are unhappy with their career experiences.

Steve Anderson:               19:09                    A lot of them are just flat burned out. They’re tired and they’re ready for change and change will manifest some of that happiness. But also there’s still going to be work involved and that’s where people have to understand more about the employers, what they need. If we can create an educational synergy, I believe it’s going to help the body of individuals that get involved in workamping have a more positive experience. And I hope that makes sense. I can visualize it because I’ve worked with it so long. Really it’s, it’s, I see it as a synergy where workampers and understand the need of what the employer has and employers that understand the need that the workamper has. When those two come together, we’ve got a team that is very viable and they work well together and there truly is a synergy.

Greg Gerber:                     20:02                    I think a lot of people who are dreaming about getting into the RV lifestyle think that they have to save up a bunch of money to finance their experience for the next three to five to 10 years or whatever the case might be. And so they set this unrealistic goal into the future that they have to have half a million or $1 million in their savings account in order to do this because they don’t understand how easy it is for people to work their way through their travel and the workamping experiences ideal because it allows people, gives them the short term employment opportunities in a variety of jobs so that they can work with. For example, they can spend the in Florida and then they can go up to Maine in the summer and then they can go down to Texas the following winter and it just, they can crisscross the country and live the lifestyle and live in all of these different environments and cultures while getting somebody to pay for it through workamping.

Steve Anderson:               21:09                    Yeah, it’s, and you’re right, they do not have to have a giant bank role in order to get involved in this. And if they will learn the steps, the sequence of systems that are out there to get involved in the lifestyle purchase correctly and smartly, the type of equipment that they’re going to utilize to live in. And if they will set their structure and their budget, they can jump into this fairly quickly and be very successful doing it.

Greg Gerber:                     21:39                    I agree. And so these are the types of things that we’re going to try and help the dreamers overcome. And also people who are working who might be struggling in a particular area, we’re going to give them ideas on how to support themselves or their families. And that’s another thing that I think we really ought to talk about, Steve, is that there are a number of families who are, workamping now. These are moms and dads with their kids traveling the country and roadschooling their children. And I know we’ll be doing some episodes on those as well to encourage these younger families to take advantage of this opportunity as well.

Steve Anderson:               22:19                    Yeah, absolutely. I mean, what better way to teach your children history? Taking them there and showing them Mount Rushmore, taking them to Gettysburg and to the, to the fields where the battles took place, all of those types of things. And it makes me wish I was a kid and I had parents who were workampers. It’d be very honest with you, Greg.

Greg Gerber:                     22:42                    Absolutely. I thought the same thing when I encountered my first families who were out living the lifestyle full time. For one example, I met up with a group that was meeting in Tucson and so they were spending, the day is going out into the desert to talk with the national park rangers about desert wildlife and desert plants and things like that. At night they were going to go up to an observatory and talk with astronomers who were going to let them learn about how planets are formed and galaxies and stars and things like that, and actually look through the telescopes at all of these celestial celestial bodies. And I mean, you just can’t get that by watching a film or a video in a classroom.

Steve Anderson:               23:29                    Absolutely not.

Greg Gerber:                     23:30                    And the other, the other group that I think people often don’t consider being viable are singles, especially single ladies. They are fearful or concerned about getting out there and traveling on their own. And I think we will provide them with the resources and the encouragement and the people that they can connect them to help them understand how to do it, do it right, and do it quickly and, and live their dreams.

Steve Anderson:               24:01                    No we have a lot of singles that come to Rendezvous every year and many of them will tell me, because they’ve heard it from me during our training, that fear was so involved. And I like to simply use the acronym False Education Appearing Real. They have built up so much fear because of so much unknown about the lifestyle that it takes education to eliminate the fear. And once they take the steps to do that, and I believe this show is going to go along the ways and coping with that. I believe we’re going to make some great headway and eliminating fear. I have a program that’s on workamper.com, our website, that I did a few years ago. It’ss called breaking through the workamping terror barrier. And we all have a, a level of which we get to with our enthusiasm. Then all of a sudden we start backing up because of fear.

Steve Anderson:               25:02                    And a lot of it has to do with our paradigms and things that we’ve had told to us and as many of our listeners who are starting to dream about this are going to start talking to their friends and their family and their family is going to say, are you nuts? You’re going to sell your home and move into an RV. You’re going to become a gypsy. All the different terms I’ve heard. And it just creates fear instead what we can provide for them as education to help them take the steps to learn how to do this effectively so that we eliminate the fear. So they don’t need to be afraid. And especially if you’re doing this as a single individual, there’s different elements there that are different as compared to when you’re doing it, you know, with a partner. And so I believe we can go a long ways in helping a found or eliminate rather I should say that fear. And by hearing it from individuals that have done it, it goes even further than us talking about it, Greg, they’re going to hear it right from the individuals that have had success.

Greg Gerber:                     26:04                    That’s exactly right. It’s not like these guys have to reinvent the wheel every time. They can build on the foundation of people who’ve been doing it for decades and enter the lifestyle quickly and more effectively than they ever could if they tried to figure it out on their own.

Steve Anderson:               26:19                    That’s right. So I’m excited for them to start experiencing our episodes. I’m excited to provide a lot of wonderful people out there that have been living the lifestyle that enjoy sharing their story. And we’ve encouraged people to share their stories in print. But a lot of people either won’t or don’t have the capabilities to sit down and actually like they could put their story into, into type and this way they can just literally get on the phone and have a visit with you just like I am today and share their story and you’re going to be able to provide that information out to all the different listeners so they can listen, enjoy and learn from these different folks.

Greg Gerber:                     27:04                    Another thing that I’m really excited about is that we’re going to expand the workamping concept a little bit to help people understand ways they can have a business of their own and use that to finance their travel dreams and travel lifestyle and we’ll give them the tools that they need to successfully manage market and grow their businesses so that they aren’t relying on jobs all the time.

Steve Anderson:               27:35                    You know, as people are gonna find out, the more they spend around me and Workamper News is that is one of my passions. I have a firm belief as an American that we’ve been pblessed with the opportunity to be able to start a business, run a business and we are blessed to have benefits that the federal government provides us as small business people. And I’ve heard literally from thousands of folks who said, “Oh, I don’t want to do anything with a business, et cetera, et cetera.” And a lot of that comes back to fear, false education appearing real or false education. They had, they tried something, it didn’t work and so they’re going to learn more. I believe that’s another area Greg, that we need to have is interviews with small business workampers who are making it happen out there on the road and they are earning additional income as well as providing themselves with some tax benefits that the average workamper would not have if they didn’t have a small business.

Greg Gerber:                     28:36                    I agree with that. There’s a lot of things that we’re going to be talking about and a real excited for getting this. This podcast started and I think that we were open to ideas of people have questions as well. If they’re thinking about the lifestyle or they’re in the lifestyle, they’d like us to explore a particular topic. I hope they’ll reach out to us and give us some suggestions of things they’d like to learn more about it. It’d be more challenging for me to look that stuff up and make sure that we connect them to the right people in the right resources.

Steve Anderson:               29:07                    Well, I don’t have to tell you as a veteran podcaster it’s, it’s a task to come up with good material to create two shows a week and we need that input from them. Absolutely.

Greg Gerber:                     29:20                    If people were interested in learning more about workamping and Workamper News, where could they get that?

Steve Anderson:               29:27                    Well the best spot to go to is our, what we call our mothership website. That is workamper.com and that site will provide you a lot of information. Also, Workamper News will provide you a lot of information about workamping. We’ve got a lot of great material on there. That’s open source. I would also encourage people to consider WorkamperAcademy.com, which is a training site that we have. In fact, I have an entry-level type of presentation that’s available on that for anyone to view. And that’s workamperacademy.com. Very good. Well, I guess I’d be remiss if I didn’t invite everybody to Rendezvous. We’re not there yet. This should be airing, I believe before Rendezvous. And we’re gonna have a Rendezvous event right here in Herber Springs, October 21st through the 25th and we still have a few seats left.

Steve Anderson:               30:25                    We’re going to have about 250 individuals come together for a full week of education. We’re gonna have a lot of networking connectivity. You’re going to have the opportunity to meet with other individuals who are dreamers, other individuals who are experienced workampers. We’re going to have employers there. We’re actually going to have a job fair on Friday where we have a larger number of employers come in just for the job fair and they’ll actually, you know, you may not be ready to jump into it, but it’s great experience to talk to employers face-to-face, to learn more about the types of opportunities that are out there. So I would encourage you to consider that you can learn more about Rendezvous by going to workamperevent.com.

Greg Gerber:                     31:12                    Very good. Well, thank you so much Steve, for taking time to talk about this, this new project that we’ve launched and your vision for it and it’s exciting. It’s going to be a very beneficial and it’s going to help a lot of people live the life that they’ve always dreamed of and live it faster than they thought possible before.

Steve Anderson:               31:34                    You’re very welcome, Greg. I’m excited for it to roll out and can’t, can’t wait for the first episode to air.